How's this for a thought experiment about irreverence:
Serial is the worst piece of trash disguised as journalism to be produced in recent years. The show presents itself as searching for the truth by applying a generic veneer of liberal progressivism when in reality Serial is all about ratings, ratings, and more ratings. The producers behind the show are unethical and are using the murder of a young woman purely for entertainment.
I'm serious when I say that, by the way, but I'm posting it here to see if anyone is remotely upset by that characterization of Serial, and just how touchy people can become about culture. It might make the furor over the cartoons more easy to understand.
posted by Nevin at 11:52 AM on January 7, in thread 145914
I wonder how many people would be rushing in here to discuss the "context" of this crime had it been a rape?
I wonder how many people would be citing the victims' history of wearing "provocative outfits" or "getting drunk" or "putting themselves in vulnerable positions".
Rape is rape. Murder is murder.
posted by smithsmith at 12:36 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
Wow, both my comments have been deleted, one which agreed with sangermaine and another about acts of violence perpetrated by muslims. The lengths this place goes to to protect muslims who commit atrocities is appalling.
posted by marienbad at 12:38 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
And another deleted - you can't even complain about it on here now. wow. american liberals supporting murderers - what has the world come to.
Manhunt underway - interesting that they can't find them - someone (or someones) are shielding them.
posted by marienbad at 12:44 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
Manhunt underway - interesting that they can't find them - someone (or someones) are shielding them.
posted by marienbad at 12:49 PM on January 7 [+] [!]
Wild-ass speculation with an undercurrent of incitement. Flagged.
posted by lalochezia at 12:53 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
Manhunt underway - interesting that they can't find them - someone (or someones) are shielding them.
posted by marienbad at 12:49 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
interesting that they can't find them - someone (or someones) are shielding them.
For instance?
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 12:54 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
Granted nobody died, but we had a terrorist attack in Colorado on January 6 that doesn't appear to be getting a whole lot of attention.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:53 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
Granted nobody died, but we had a terrorist attack in Colorado on January 6 that doesn't appear to be getting a whole lot of attention.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:53 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
(I bring up the NAACP bombing primarily in response to Golden Eternity's link - I meant to include this statement in the same comment but forgot and didn't want to add it after the fact in this fast moving conversation)
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:59 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
drown out the little voice saying: "false flag, false flag, false flag ..."
If the CCTV was 'not working', or they don't find the killers, or if they find a couple of amateurish guys wholly unlike the trained killers seen today, then this may well be a false flag operation - of which there are dozens of previous examples.
posted by colie at 1:12 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
of which there are dozens of previous examples
Care to name, say, your top five from the past 15 years?
posted by yoink at 1:18 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
If the CCTV was 'not working', or they don't find the killers, or if they find a couple of amateurish guys wholly unlike the trained killers seen today, then this may well be a false flag operation - of which there are dozens of previous examples.
So the lesson from this comment is that if the mods blow away your previous false flag turd, you can just fling it again until it sticks.
posted by Behemoth at 1:30 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
symbioid, give it a fucking rest, man. You are throwing up so many red herrings it's ridiculous. When Fidel Cashflow asks, "Should only tasteful satire be protected speech?" he's not asking for your take on what the government's stance should be, he's saying that there is the blood of twelve people running through the streets of Paris and that means today the cost of speech was life and that is tremendously wrong.
So you know, let me be totally clear on this. You can take your factionalism, religious and ethnic divides, etc. and - in this particular situation - shove them up your ass. Because there is a shadow over this particular conversation and you are totally trolling us by not acknowledging its overwhelming importance. One might even go so far as to say this is an incredibly important time to be clear about what you are not open-minded about.
But if you want to say this is the wake-up call that we needed in order to start this conversation, then by God, go ahead and say it. Fucking go for it. But don't call the rest of us dense for looking at this as a blatant affront on liberty, and invoking certain well-established social principles that serve to shape Western civilization to essentially say, "No matter what these people printed, this is categorically wrong, and we will not be intimidated." Goddamnit.
posted by phaedon at 2:19 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
BY QUESTIONING THE WISDOM OF THE ACT OF THE VICTIMS I'M CLEARLY VICTIM BLAMING
Yes, now you have it.
posted by the bricabrac man at 4:15 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
Lots of Frislamic folks getting ass fed hummus as I type this, I reckon.
posted by Renoroc at 5:18 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
Actually the #NotAllMuslims analogy to #NotAllMen analogy fits perfectly, desjardins.
#NotAllMen = #NotAllMenWhoComplainAboutRapeConversations
#NotAllMuslims = #NotAllMuslimsWhoComplainAboutMuhammadCartoons
Both critique people who seek to avoid justified criticism of an ideology by incorrectly claiming personal injury : aspects of rape culture and Islamic fundamentalism.
posted by jeffburdges at 5:27 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
As an example of that, I haven't heard any calls for apologies from white men, and arguments for white men's collective guilt, and, in fact, not much of anything at all, regarding the fact that an NAACP headquarters was bombed yesterday by a white man.
Somehow, another attempted terrorist attack has gone largely unnoticed. It is very strange how this happens sometimes.
posted by homunculus at 5:45 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
Could we maybe stop with the NAACP derail?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:46 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
I'll wager the bombers of the NAACP office have a connection to law enforcement. At minimum the attack was stirred up by the right-wing's pro-cop anti-black tirade after Ferguson.
posted by jeffburdges at 5:53 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
A history of racist and xenophobic cartoons does not "justified criticism of an ideology" make.
Especially since Muslims themselves have come under fire from Muslims and non-Muslims alike for critiquing their religion without this much solidarity.
Sorry, but this is not a statement of facts, it is her opinion. divabat may post emphatic opinions, delivered with great assurance, but that does not make her right. And if she gets mad that others emphatically state opinions at odds with hers, that is too bad.
posted by feste at 6:03 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
That was a ridiculous deletion.
posted by mlis at 6:15 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
Actually the #NotAllMuslims analogy to #NotAllMen analogy fits perfectly, desjardins.
excellent mansplaining, jeffburdges. you bear our white man's burden with grace.
Oops, sorry. strike that. invert. thanks.
posted by mwhybark at 6:23 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
That mockery of the pain and trauma of still not found kidnapped young schoolgirls is dickish.
posted by infini at 1:30 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
A reminder that we grow our own crazies at home too:
posted by hank at 6:49 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
What do you mean we? We're all in this together. This isn't us and them.
posted by ODiV at 6:55 PM on January 7, in thread 145914
The extremists on both sides are on collusion against the middle.
human centipede
posted by stbalbach at 8:38 AM on January 7, in thread 145914
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