I live between the Bataclan and Charlie Hebdo. I don't even know what I feel anymore nor if I should watch the news or just switch my computer off for a few hours...
posted by OrangeCat at 3:05 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
I just posted this to Twitter a few minutes ago, but it's relevant here too: The only thing worse than what's going on tonight is what the FN is going to make of this tomorrow.
posted by LMGM at 4:44 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
The only thing worse than what's going on tonight is what the FN is going to make of this tomorrow.
I don't know what the FN is but are they gonna kill over a hundred people?
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 4:47 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
I'm guessing FN = Fox News
And they will probably use this as another excuse to hype Islamophobia and general racist xenophobic garbage.
posted by Jacqueline at 4:49 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
I don't know what the FN is but are they gonna kill over a hundred people?
It's the ultra conservative party in France. They'll do their best to make the lives of immigrants actual hell as per usual.
posted by poffin boffin at 4:51 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
A typical terrorist gesture to cause mayhem amongst the populace but no real damage to the state. Asymmetrical warfare for political effect and little else. I'm sure it sucks to be in the middle of it though...
posted by jim in austin at 5:39 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
for example the operational history of the SOA
Solutions By Oracle®?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:53 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
I grieve for Paris. I also grieve for Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Chad, Palestine, Somalia, Niger, Burundi, Central African Republic, Yemen, and Ukraine.
posted by Ragini at 5:54 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
If the past pattern is any indicator the attackers are unlikely to be refugees. Recent attacks in France have been carried out by longer term French residents who were radicalized. The refugees are probably among the strongest allies in fighting these radicals because they have already been brutalized by these assholes.
Unlikely to be refugees. Highly likely, however, to have been men who blended among the refugees to come in after having been indoctrinated and trained in Syria.
posted by ocschwar at 6:03 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
Highly likely, however, to have been men who blended among the refugees to come in after having been indoctrinated and trained in Syria.
Highly unlikely. A French Muslim travelling to Syria at this time and then back to France is going to raise eyebrows, especially if their radical beforehand. Who travels to get indoctrinated?
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 6:06 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
I grieve for Paris. I also grieve for Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Chad, Palestine, Somalia, Niger, Burundi, Central African Republic, Yemen, and Ukraine.
#Alllivesmatter
Perhaps we could could hold off until we're certain who the attackers are before we foist our values onto this.
posted by Maugrim at 6:07 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
I grieve for Paris. I also grieve for Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Chad, Palestine, Somalia, Niger, Burundi, Central African Republic, Yemen, and Ukraine.
Gross.
posted by Maugrim at 6:13 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
About Hollande saing "we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless", we should remember that Bin Laden's organizations was destroyed pretty soundly. Afaik, current Islamic extremists mostly operate in Islamic countries, so France has little to wage war on.
Now ISIS has influenced a handful of marginalized Islamic youths in western nations, but that's not the same material support. What if we learn that ISIS mailed these guys their guns? Is France going to attack Syria? That's ridiculous, even by U.S. standards.
I donno what Hollande means by "war", but maybe tighter surveillance of Islamic religious figures in France, maybe more effective gun control, maybe more effective efforts to confront marginalization, maybe tighter screening of travelers from Islamic nations, maybe efforts to reform Islam itself by promoting ultra-left Islamic thinkers. What else could he mean?
I'm not too worried about the national reaction : It's France, not the U.S. It's approx 150 ordinary people, not 3000 rich people working in finance. It's guns, not planes. It'll be much harder to blame foreigners. Attackers are likely French themselves. etc.
posted by jeffburdges at 6:23 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
It's approx 150 ordinary people, not 3000 rich people working in finance.
That is a sick sentiment and you should be ashamed.
posted by Xavier Xavier at 6:24 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
not 3000 rich people working in finance.
Uh, excuse me?
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 6:26 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
Jeffburdges: firstly, the 3000 victims of 9/11 also included firemen, policemen, waiters and restaurant staff, and security staff.
Secondly, people who work in finance are also "ordinary people".
Thirdly, if I hadn't had a broken answering machine, I very well may have been in the Twin Towers and may have been a victim myself, and I assure you I am most definitely ordinary.
In the words of my French comrades - manger de la merde, abrutis putain.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:27 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
(sorry, lobstermitten, I think we crossposted)
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:28 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
@jeffburdges France is already doing air strikes against Daech/ISIS.
I'm pretty sure this is the enemy we'll be after.
posted by Tobu at 6:29 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
Not picking a fight, but do we have to let "rich people" stand uncorrected? 411 9/11 victims were emergency workers, police, firefighters or first responders; 70 civilian Army and Navy staffers, and 55 active duty military. Among the others were many workers in finance firms but also people working in the offices of a telephone utility, a foodservice company, two health insurance companies, the state DOT, some local TV stations, the WTC itself, along with an unknown number of undocumented workers in the restaurants. And a bunch of random folks on a place. Some rich people were among the victims (and even they are mourned still) but it was not a tragedy that struck only the elite.
posted by Miko at 6:43 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
Yesterday: Lebanon is holding a day of national mourning after at least 41 people were killed in two suicide bombings in the capital, Beirut. The Islamic State (IS) militant group says it was behind the attacks in Burj al-Barajneh, a mainly Shia southern suburb and Hezbollah stronghold. The bombing is the deadliest in the capital since the end of Lebanon's civil war in 1990.
Less than a month ago: The so-called Islamic State has emerged as the main suspect behind the deadliest bomb attack in Turkish history, which killed almost 100 people in the capital Ankara on Saturday.
posted by gwint at 7:14 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
gwint: France is the US's oldest ally (we probably wouldn't even be a country without their help) and this is a predominantly American site, so IMO it's quite understandable that we're more worked up over a terrorist attack in Paris than similar attacks in countries that we're not as close to.
Meanwhile, given relative levels of internet access and English proficiency, we almost certainly have far more French MeFites than either Lebanese or Turkish MeFites.
If you think those other terrorist attacks are deserving of more attention then make a new FPP about them.
posted by Jacqueline at 7:23 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
gwint, what is your point?
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 7:23 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
I am not gwint, but I took it to show how these sorts of terrorist activities are increasing in both frequency and the number of victims.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 7:29 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
gwint: I do not believe in comparative pain, nor do I believe that this thread is the place to introduce things that are not germane to the immediate subject at hand.
posted by PlantGoddess at 7:29 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
I don't believe that's the case.
posted by Justinian at 7:29 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
I think Americans should show support by changing the name of one of our beloved side dishes, "Freedom Fries" to a name honoring the French in some way.
posted by Drinky Die at 8:58 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
Maybe we can not make stupid jokes in a thread about a massive terrorist attack.
Jesus try to have some sensitivity.
posted by winna at 9:24 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
Navelgazer : I think the ghettoization of Muslims in France couldn't have helped this, but France isn't to blame here.
Oh please, elucidate me on the history of french muslims.
posted by durandal at 9:37 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
this was an ISIS attack on a peaceful people. The world ought to be in full out war against these assholes. You may not like him but Trump said what we all now feel. BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THEM! Long live France. I am sorry for your loss. May God redeem your family in this tragic event.
posted by shockingbluamp at 9:50 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
well..my comments were edited by mods that are I guess are in favor of the innocent being killed. Way to go Mods. Rest well in your ISIS paid for beds.
posted by shockingbluamp at 9:58 PM on November 13, in thread 154694
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